long ago ideas

“When we are tired, we are attacked by ideas we conquered long ago." - Friedrich Nietzsche. Long ago, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery conquered false claims that the Book of Mormon was fiction or that it came through a stone in a hat. But these old claims have resurfaced in recent years. To conquer them again, we have to return to what Joseph and Oliver taught.

Thursday, April 3, 2025

Rational Restoration summary


We're releasing the Second Edition of The Rational Restoration soon. 

The Second Edition incorporates lots of feedback and contains new sections drawn from posts on https://www.ldshistoricalnarratives.com/ and other blogs.

Here is the summary at the end of Chapter 10: Reframing Scripture:

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Summary

When we reframe the Book of Mormon as an inspired translation of an ancient record that contained “a history of the aborigines of this country” that was “written and deposited not far from” Joseph’s home near Palmyra, New York, we have a rational explanation for all the events and teaching in Church history related to the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon.

When we reframe the translation as Joseph described it—that he first translated individual characters and then the engravings on the plates by means of the Urim and Thummim that came with the plates—we can see that the text he dictated was “after the manner of his language.” (D&C 1:24) We then have a rational explanation for the so-called “errors” such as anachronisms and quotations from the King James translation, which we would expect if Joseph translated it. We also understand why the 1840 edition claims it was “Carefully revised by the translator.”

These rational explanations provide a sharp contrast to the SITH and M2C theories that require us to ignore or reject what Joseph and his contemporaries and successors taught about the translation with the Nephite interpreters known as the Urim and Thummim. We don’t have to ignore or reject what they taught about Cumorah/Ramah in western New York.

We can readily identify extrinsic evidence that corroborates both the origin (translation) and setting (geography) of the Book of Mormon.

The rational explanations of the rational restoration lower barriers to acceptance of the Book of Mormon as another Testament of Jesus Christ.


Wednesday, April 2, 2025

The red morocco trunk and SITH in Harmony, PA

In the pursuit of clarity, charity and understanding, it's useful to discuss Church history sites.

If you've visited the Priesthood Restoration site in what was Harmony, Pennsylvania, in 1827-1830, you've visited the small house where Joseph and Emma lived when Joseph translated the abridged plates.

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In that house there is a "red morocco trunk" on the bureau.

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Lucy mentioned the trunk when she related her experience when she came to visit Joseph in Harmony in the fall of 1828. 

when I entered his house the first thing that attracted [p. 135] my attention was a red morocco trunk, that set on Emma’s bureau; which trunk Joseph shortly informed me, contained the Urim and Thummim and the plates. 

In the evening he gave us the following relation of what had transpired since our separation… [quoting Joseph, p. 138] “on the 22d of September, I had the joy and satisfaction of again receiving the Urim and Thummim; and have commenced translating again, and Emma writes for me; but the angel said that the Lord would send me a scribe, and <​I​> trust his promise will be verified. He also seemed pleased with me, when he gave me back the Urim and Thummim; and he told me that the Lord loved me, for my faithfulness and humility.

 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1845/142

Despite what Royal Skousen, Scripture Central, and other SITH scholars claim, Lucy's history tells us that Joseph had the Urim and Thummim when he was translating the abridged plates in Harmony. 

Of course, that's what Joseph and Oliver always said.

Here's the fun part.

In this view, you can see the red trunk on the right with the translating table in the left center.

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Below you can see the translating table, complete with the plates covered with a cloth and the white top hat visible.

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Recall that Lucy explained Joseph kept the Urim and Thummim and the plates in the red trunk. Nothing in the display mentions the Urim and Thummim, and the missionaries there don't tell people about it (at least they didn't when we visited).

Instead, they set up this display to indicate that Joseph use the stone-in-the-hat to "translate" the plates, which were supposedly under a cover the entire time.

I removed the cover to show the plates and took this photo:

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The next time you visit the Priesthood Restoration site, ask about the Urim and Thummim that Joseph kept in the red morocco trunk.

Now you have a link to an original source.


Friday, March 28, 2025

Myanmar earthquake

The earthquake today in Myanmar reminded me of our visit there in January 2020 where we saw some of the destruction caused by an earthquake in 2016, particularly to the temples in Bagan. We spent some time with a wonderful senior couple in Yangon who were doing greatly appreciated humanitarian work there.

Hopefully this earthquake has not destroyed more of the temples in Bagan.

archway in Bagan

earthquake damage from 2016

Bagan

temples in Bagan

Cool guys in Yangon

Yangon from our hotel

Shwedgaon Pagoda in Yangon


Wednesday, March 26, 2025

Monday, March 24, 2025

The Mary Whitmer narrative again

Always in the pursuit of clarity, charity and understanding, today we'll discuss an ongoing problem that we can all hope will get resolved one of these days.

The other day I had a conversation with a life-long seasoned Latter-day Saint who has studied the gospel diligently. During the conversation, the topic of the Saints book came up. The person said, "How can I know what is and what is not accurate in those books?"

It's a difficult question because the Saints book (especially volume 1) uses selective footnotes so readers don't know about other authentic, faithful accounts that contradict some of the narratives. To those of us who are more familiar with original sources, some of the errors are obvious, some are matters of interpretation, and some appear to promote a particular agenda.

Yet Saints has, in the minds of some people, replaced the original sources and now constitutes official doctrine about Church history. 

I see no evidence that any Church leaders intended Saints to replace original sources, the teachings of the prophets, or even common sense. Instead, Saints was intended to provide an accessible resource that encourages further study and discussion.

But in the real world, few Latter-day Saints even look at the footnotes, let alone actually read the original sources. For non-English speakers, the footnotes are not useful anyway.

Which is why Saints has become the quasi-canonized version of history, even when it directly contradicts original sources (and in some cases the scriptures).

A good example is the narrative that it was Moroni who showed Mary Whitmer the plates. 

Most readers apparently think, "Hmm, it's interesting that a resurrected being can present himself in a variety of bodies." 

Saints teaches that the Moroni David and Mary Whitmer met was a short old man. But original sources describe the Moroni who appeared to Joseph as glorious and taller than the average person.

Obviously, these dueling narratives are difficult to square with Alma:

The soul shall be restored to the body, and the body to the soul; yea, and every limb and joint shall be restored to its body; yea, even a hair of the head shall not be lost; but all things shall be restored to their proper and perfect frame.

(Alma 40:23)

The easy solution is to just refer to the original sources, where we see that 

(i) David Whitmer said Joseph identified the messengers as "one of the three Nephites to whom the Savior gave the promise of life on earth until He should come in power."

(ii) Mary Whitmer said the messenger identified himself as "Brother Nephi," which makes sense because Nephi was among the 12 from whom the Three Nephites came. 

See references here: https://www.mobom.org/trip-to-fayette-references

The original sources make far more sense than the Saints narrative. Plus they don't contradict Alma and other similar scriptures.

While the solution is easy, we can all see that it's impossible to reprint the hard copies of Saints. But the digital versions (which are by far more popular) can be corrected instantly.

So why does Saints continue to promote the Moroni narrative?

We can only speculate, but presumably the scholars at Scripture Central and the Interpreter have significant influence, and they both promote the Moroni narrative.

Scripture Central promoted the narrative with a commissioned painting that even appeared on the cover of BYU Studies.

For example, in my review of Royal Skousen's Part Seven, I noted that Skousen went to great lengths to promote the narrative that it was Moroni who showed the plates to Mary Whitmer. This is the narrative that shows up in the Saints book (volume 1).

Skousen's Part Seven includes a reprint of his 2014 Interpreter article. To his credit, Skousen acknowledges that "there is some issue about the identity of the angel." But then he promotes the Moroni narrative by:

(i) relying on compound hearsay and

(ii) omitting sections of specific references that contradict the Moroni narrative, including references from which Skousen quotes an excerpt!

I discussed Skousen's "excerpt" technique here:

https://www.ldshistoricalnarratives.com/2025/03/royal-skousens-excerpt-technique.html 

And I discussed the Mary Whitmer problem several times, such as here:

https://saintsreview.blogspot.com/2020/10/more-on-fake-moronimary-whitmer-story.html

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We can all understand the reluctance to make corrections to the Saints book, but perpetuating obvious errors will continue to undermine the credibility of the book for future generations. 

Friday, March 21, 2025

20/60/20, FAITH model, and podcast with Randy Bell

The early years of Joseph Smith provide another example of the 20/60/20 principle.

We've seen the 20/60/20 principle regarding the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon. 

Conceptually, while 100% of faithful Latter-day Saints (including me) sustain modern Church leaders, about 20% of Latter-day Saints still believe what the prophets have taught about the origin and setting of the Book of Mormon, 20% reject what the prophets have taught, and 60% don't know or care. 

We can break it down like this:

Origin.

- 20% still believe what Joseph and Oliver taught about the translation of the plates with the Urim and Thummim that came with the plates. 

- 20% reject what Joseph and Oliver taught in favor of the Royal Skousen/Interpreter view that Joseph and Oliver deliberately misled everyone about the translation because Joseph used SITH (the stone-in-the-hat).

- 60% don't know or care about the issue and can lean either way.  

Setting.

- 20% still believe what Joseph and Oliver taught about the setting of the Book of Mormon with Cumorah/Ramah in New York. 

- 20% reject what Joseph and Oliver taught in favor of the Jack Welch/Scripture Central view that Joseph and Oliver deliberately misled everyone about the setting because Cumorah/Ramah is actually in southern Mexico.

- 60% don't know or care about the issue and can lean either way.  

Regarding young Joseph Smith, it breaks down like this:

Young Joseph Smith.

- 20% believe the Lord prepared Joseph from a young age to become a translator and prophet by allowing the leg infection and surgery that incapacitated him so he could acquire "an intimate acquaintance with those of different denominations" by reading the Bible and the works of Christian authors such as Jonathan Edwards. 

- 20% believe Joseph was an ignorant farm boy who was essentially a blank slate when God appeared to him, when the stone in the hat displayed the words he read out loud, and when he received revelations.

- 60% don't know or care about the issue and can lean either way.   

In all these cases, the Facts are there for everyone to see. People reach different conclusions because of their respective Assumptions, Inferences, and Theories (the FAITH model of analysis).

This principle applies not only to faithful Latter-day Saints, but to those who choose alternatives, including former LDS and never LDS.

Which brings us to the podcast.

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Steve Pynakker (Mormon Book Reviews) does an amazing job bringing people together and hosting a variety of perspectives about the Restoration. He released a new podcast yesterday that I did with Randy Bell titled "Who Influenced Joseph Smith?" 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eTcrqXSyhk


Randy is an awesome guy and a careful and candid researcher. I really enjoyed getting to know him off-camera, and I enjoyed our discussion about Joseph Smith's early years.

It's an important topic because we can all benefit by learning more about Joseph Smith. In my view, the Lord prepared Joseph Smith from a young age to become a future translator and prophet. I've discussed this in books and articles linked in the show notes.

As we discussed in the podcast, others can look at the same evidence and reach different conclusions.

I encourage people to pursue the FAITH model of analysis, where we can all agree on the facts and they apply our various assumptions, inferences, and theories to reach the hypotheses (world view) that we embrace. Then we can compare multiple working hypotheses clearly, with charity, as we seek to understand one another.

The pursuit of clarity, charity and understanding replaces contention with courtesy and mutual respect.

Thanks for all you do, Steve! And thanks for the conversation, Randy!





Monday, March 17, 2025

St. Patrick and Cumorah

Me & St. Patrick
Last year we visited the Hill of Slane/Sláine in Ireland where there is a statue of St. Patrick. The Hill overlooks the prehistoric passage-mounds of the Boyne Valley, such as Newgrange.

Traditionally, this hill is the place where Saint Patrick lit the paschal fire, bringing Christianity to Ireland. Naturally, some scholars disagree (as scholars usually do).

The Irish do a good job preserving and commemorating their history. There are excellent signs posted, nice visitors centers, and careful preservation of historic sites and structures. Exhibits show original documents and explain different interpretations of evidence.

At Newgrange, they even preserve the post-molds to show where ancient structures once stood.


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The Church also does an excellent job of preserving sites, structures, documents and artifacts related to Church history. The visitors centers are all informative, with attractive graphics, dioramas, maps, etc. Visitors learn a great deal and are offered resources to learn more.

With one exception.

At the Hill Cumorah, there is not a word about what early Church leaders said about the site, apart from it being the location of Moroni's stone box. No placard with the text from Letter VII on it. Nothing from Lucy Mack Smith's history about Cumorah, nothing from David Whitmer, Martin Harris, Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, Heber C. Kimball, Wilford Woodruff, etc. Not even anything about Ramah.


It's all very strange.

And it's the same at the Church History Museum in Salt Lake City, except they have one small exhibit that at least tells people where the Hill Cumorah is located. Kudos to them for that.



But still, no mention of Letter VII or any of the teachings of the prophets about Cumorah/Ramah.

Very strange...